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"The consumption of pornography may actually reduce the desire to rape by offering a safe, private outlet for deviant sexual desires."

I'm a straight guy with an amazing girlfriend of two years. A few months ago, I felt open enough to share my taboo fantasy: father/daughter incest. My GF not only understands the fantasy but enjoys participating in it! I have ZERO interest in this kind of thing actually happening. I understand the damage that sexual abuse can do and has done. Now the problem: We've added the "wrinkle" of me talking to another man on the phone while my GF fellates me. The man — a stranger we found online — has been led to believe I am being fellated by my daughter. We do not lead these guys to believe that they have a chance to meet us, but we worry that we could be inadvertently encouraging someone to make their fantasies a reality. Any advice?

No Acronym Seems To Yodel

The incest fetishists you meet in chat rooms and get on the phone? For all they know, you could be alone stirring a jar of mayonnaise with a slotted spoon. And for all you know, NASTY, the incest fetishists you're meeting could be police officers looking to bust men who are actually raping their daughters. Just sayin'.

As for your problem, most people with incest fantasies insist that they're not turned on by the idea of having sex with their actual parents, siblings or children. That can't be true for all incest fetishists, statistically speaking, but incest fetishists who're turned on by the thought of actually fucking their sibs/parents/children would have a motive and/or the sense to lie.

But let's set your specific fantasy aside — which is an upsetting one for most people (because ick), particularly those who were sexually abused by family members (because rape) — and focus on the underlying question: Does exploring something taboo through fantasy make someone likelier to do that thing in real life?

The evidence we've got about porn points to no.

"Perhaps the most serious accusation against pornography is that it incites sexual aggression," Melinda Wenner Moyer wrote in the July 2011 issue of Scientific American ("The Sunny Side of Smut"). "But not only do rape statistics suggest otherwise, some experts believe the consumption of pornography may actually reduce the desire to rape by offering a safe, private outlet for deviant sexual desires."

What you're producing for the men on the phone is a kind of pornography, and the wider availability of Internet pornography has correlated strongly with falling rates of sexual violence — and incest between an adult and a minor is sexual violence.

"Within the U.S., the states with the least Internet access between 1980 and 2000 — and therefore the least access to Internet pornography — experienced a 53 percent increase in rape incidence, whereas the states with the most access experienced a 27 percent drop in the number of reported rapes, according to a paper published in 2006 by Anthony D'Amato, a law professor at Northwestern University," Moyer writes. "It is important to note that these associations are just that — associations. They do not prove that pornography is the cause of the observed crime reductions. Nevertheless, the trends ‘just don't fit with the theory that rape and sexual assault are in part influenced by pornography,' [Professor Christopher J.] Ferguson [of Texas A&M] explains. ‘At this point, I think we can say the evidence just isn't there, and it is time to retire this belief.'"

The complicating factor here is that you're leading these men to believe that you're actually doing it. So will the men you talk to want to rape their daughters in real life because you've led them to believe you're raping your daughter? Hard to say ... and even harder to get data on. But the people doing taboo shit in porn are actually doing it, and the data suggests that watching others do it — i.e. living vicariously through porn performers (who are sometimes faking it, but still) — leads to fewer people acting on taboo desires in real life, not more.

I'm a 40-year-old gay man who has his life fairly together. But I've never had a LTR. I've dated this guy "D" three times, and I broke it off three times. I feel like such an ass. D is sweet, hot and funny, but he's obviously gay. I worry that my mom might not like him — she has made snide comments about obviously gay guys "advertising it" — and I am very close to my mom. D and I have started hanging out again, and we are having fun. I just don't know WTF I am doing. Should I just see how things go?

Messed Up Dude

Let me see if I've got this straight: You like D, and D is sweet and hot and funny. But you've dumped D three times because your mommy wouldn't approve, and you're really close to your mommy ... and you're worried that D is the gay stereotype in this relationship?

I am a 23-year-old female devotee of disabled men. I mostly gravitate toward severe CP and quadriplegics. But my passions in life involve travel, sports, camping and other things that are difficult or impossible when you can't walk. I have always dated able-bodied men as a result. I would feel guilty fucking a disabled guy — I would see an "expiration date" on our relationship. Would it be wrong to seek out disabled guys just for sex?

Some Chick Who Likes Wheels

Maybe you should let disabled men decide for themselves if they want to be used for sex. Some won't mind, just as some gay guys don't mind being used for sex by bisexual and/or closeted guys who aren't interested in dating men. So long as you're not misleading anyone to get into his pants and/or up on his wheels, you're not doing anything wrong.

On this week's Savage Lovecast, Dan talks with a former stripper about her lurking shame. Also, hear an interview with Daniel Bergner, author of the book What Do Women Want?, about what women want, all at


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